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#9815052 Jul 30, 2014 at 01:53 PM
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Hello,

So I'm writing here because there has been some concern in other parts of the community about what we're going to do as far as an unofficial RP server is concerned. Some of you who are also members on the rparcheage.enjin.com community website are aware that they intend to hold a poll exclusively on their website. Our site and theirs disagreed on the merits of this, and we could not work out any cooperation in this regard.

We here on ArcheAgeRoleplay.com want to hold an open poll on the official forums on ArcheAgeGame.com. The reason that we decided that is because we feel it would be more constructive to reach as many potential RPers as possible rather than remaining exclusive, hidden, and occult.

The primary concern people have about that is that troll/zerg guilds might want to sabotage the poll or will watch the poll results to decide on their own server decision in the end. While this is a possibility, I think it is less of a problem than some are making it out to be.

My argument is this: There will always be trolls. Whether we roll specifically on a server that lacks large zerg guilds that already have a tendency to troll us or not. If they really cared all that much about RPers and how to make their gaming experience unenjoyable, they'll check the Enjin site anyway. Trying to play carefully and avoiding them I think does two things: 1. It empowers them. It lets them know that they actually affect someone, when we would be better off considering them as no different from the average non-RPer--as simply not a part of our community, not as a threat to it. 2. It hides us from other potential RPers. People can argue that RPers should actively seek out the RP communities, but in reality, a lot of people do not and will not do that--either because they simply don't want to, or they have no idea that they're apparently expected to. We amputate our leg to get rid of what essentially amounts to a small cut. We lose potential RPers by being quiet.

I still am convinced the best approach is to post our poll publicly, and maybe encourage people who post on that poll to also go to the Enjin site to vote on their poll again if the Enjin site is still not willing to throw their efforts behind one public poll, just to get everyone on the same page. I feel like keeping it hidden will hurt us in the long run--not unlike how RPers switching to RP in /party in order to avoid possible trolling will render RP invisible to the passerbys who could possibly be RPers themselves.

What do you think, AAR? Am I totally alone in my theories and should I be more worried about trolls, or is it time we stopped worrying about how to hide from trolls and started worrying about how best to bolster our community?
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#9815100 Jul 30, 2014 at 02:05 PM · Edited 8 years ago
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I agree with you 100%. If there was an "official" RP server, named by AA, it would be public information anyway. I think a poll on the AA official site is a better way to get the input of as many players as possible, and everyone organized, as oppose to a poll on just one RP site.
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#9815110 Jul 30, 2014 at 02:09 PM
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#9815100 Glue wrote:

I agree with you 100%. If there was an "official" RP server, named by AA, it would be public information anyway. I think a poll on the AA official site is a better way to get the input of as many players as possible, and everyone organized, as oppose to a poll on just one RP site.



Pretty much sums it up.. +1
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#9815145 Jul 30, 2014 at 02:19 PM
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#9815100 Glue wrote:

I agree with you 100%. If there was an "official" RP server, named by AA, it would be public information anyway. I think a poll on the AA official site is a better way to get the input of as many players as possible, and everyone organized, as oppose to a poll on just one RP site.



I agree, if there were an official server it would be public so little is gained by hiding it. I do not put it past the griefing community to seek out the RP servers as, often, RPers are not so much into PvP and hence not that good at it so are easy pickings but there is little that can be done as long as open world PvP is enabled. Hiding reduces our numbers and says that we are afraid of the PvPers. Personally, I'm not afraid of them I just don't enjoy that aspect of game play and get annoyed when it's thrust upon me and I have no mechanics to prevent it.

The best we can hope for is good game mechanics, a strong RP community (with some pvp-rp alliances), and the general rule of thumb - don't feed the trolls.

I am hopeful that the positive elements of the game over shadow the PvP and that they will find better ways to enjoy themselves than bothering me. *crosses fingers*
We don't create a fantasy world to escape reality. We create it to be able to stay.
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#9840066 Aug 05, 2014 at 02:32 PM
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Does the RP community in general tend to dislike PvP?
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#9840661 Aug 05, 2014 at 05:06 PM · Edited 8 years ago
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#9840066 Zumvault wrote:

Does the RP community in general tend to dislike PvP?



There are plenty of RP'ers that enjoy PVP in a variety of forms.. However I suppose you could say that within the ''diehard'' RP community, the people that are more interested in the RP itself than in the RP'ing within this particular game, often tend to more or less dislike in-game PVP (or keep RP & other game stuff like PVP completely seperate). (They will have fights the old school RP way; in text form + posisble dice rolling etc..
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#9840983 Aug 05, 2014 at 06:55 PM
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Hmm. That's interesting.
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#9841642 Aug 05, 2014 at 10:22 PM
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In traditional RPGs, the GM would balance the encounters so a party stood a reasonable chance of survival, provided they prepared and worked together. That pretty much precluded PvP. In fact most game systems didn't even address the possibility, everything was cooperative play. Moreover, traditional RPGs had harsh death penalties, in some cases, permanent so the idea of killing off another character was really frowned upon. Work on your character for a year to have some idiot kill him tended to break up groups.

When RPGs moved to the computer and specifically into MMO that changed. Most MMORPGs have little or no death penalty, rarely can you RP your way out of a fight with a PvPer, and there is little game balance since one of you can be much higher level or better geared. For an old school RPer, this totally destroys RP. in a game. Why put out effort to build something if it can be torn up just for giggles? And death is just an annoyance. Even in PvE, with the lack of any real penalty, I'm prone to running into things, die, and say "hmm...bad idea". I would never have done that in traditional RPGs because you don't want to die.

Even if you don't fold questing and other game activities directly into your RP, how in any world does it make sense for some random person to run up and attack or kill you? Is every fantasy world populated by homicidal psychopaths?

For me, open world PvP turns an RPG into a first person shooter where the goal is to kill as many other players as possible. Frankly when I'm in a mood for that sort of game play, I play first person shooters (or join an arena match). When I play an RPG I want to RP - even if only in my mind, planning out what I need for my house or what I should grow or how I can gather what I need to make the next item that I want to take to market.

Not saying all RPers think this way but that's why I don't enjoy PvP and would be just as happy if I could opt out of it.
We don't create a fantasy world to escape reality. We create it to be able to stay.
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#9842612 Aug 06, 2014 at 04:59 AM · Edited 8 years ago
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Personaly I dont mind the pvp. Sure it sucks when a player just trys to ruin your day.(part of the reason I am makeing a rp/pvp guild to protect players who really dont like the pvp aspect aswell as use said pvp as a means of rp in itself. *Kills a troll player*"Another furless before my blade... Notch seventeen, alright anyone els wanna take a stab at it?" ) if I die or a clan mate were to be killed, i simply play it off as an injury or let them make up thier own thing if they so wish to.

*Gets killed by gankers*(oocly) (icly) *Injured greatly needs some bedrest or a cleric asap*

To me everything in the game is a new door for an interesting rp plot, a branch on a larger tree that I may end up on or a path in the road I have to take.

but thats just me. Including the idea players can kill you into rp really spices it up in my eyes and fits in with my characters paranoia "Even the prettiest thing can be the biggest threat"
"Beauty and Passion are one in the same. This world will not discriminate as it murders both bit by bit..
It is only when one's oblivious life comes to a halt do they realize just how blind they have been to the true nature of this world.
That is the moment a child becomes a true adult.. and when a soul transcends to that of a hero.
Am I to protect what is lost? Or am I to feast on the agony of others to fuel my own power... Time will tell."

- Cailda

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#9843732 Aug 06, 2014 at 11:07 AM
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If there would somehow be more consequence to both death, but also to being a criminal (that is, people iwll stop helping you, stop trading with you, etc) then actual in-game PVP could fit within RP; since it would have big consequences either way.. sadly, even if you get a super bad rep in an MMORPG, u can just rename or make a new character; and get a clean slate.. So yea.. If you really want a 'proper' RP kind of setting, it's nearly imposisble to include in-game PVP in that, and in many cases PVE all the same. It's sad, but understandable.
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#9843993 Aug 06, 2014 at 12:13 PM
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All great comments but just to bring it back to Wanderer's original post, I definitely agree with you, have the poll publicly. And as someone said I don't see why we don't host it on the official forums to gain maximum exposure.
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#9851222 Aug 08, 2014 at 12:50 AM
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Yes, please hold the poll on official forums, not only to help coordinate RPers, but it will also show Trion a good number of how many there are that would like a dedicated RP server.
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#9852427 Aug 08, 2014 at 08:08 AM · Edited 8 years ago
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The only 'problem' with holding the post on the official forums is that the 80% (if not more) of the people there are non-RPers and will most likely still vote just to mess with it...


Having a public poll on one of the RP-community websites would be better, because most people won't bother signing up there if they aren't interested in RP.


^My 2 cents.
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#9853007 Aug 08, 2014 at 10:54 AM
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Quick question! Will you also be doing this poll for the EU RP server? Or shall someone on the EU do so themselves? We don't wanna accidentally have multiple polls up xD
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#9853126 Aug 08, 2014 at 11:29 AM
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If there are neough people interested in it, I don't see why not ^^ I might join up with your guild on release, Emma; as the US wil most likely give me several issues i'd rather not deal with (activity hours, high ping, etc) :)
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#9853503 Aug 08, 2014 at 01:11 PM
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Well I know of a few others that are planning to make guilds on EU so people are defiantly for it xD The Enjin website Admin just said she no longer cares for the EU players, so every thread is to be assumed directed at the NA unless it says specifically EU on it ._. But there's alot of people still going EU as the timezones are just right. :3
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#9853567 Aug 08, 2014 at 01:29 PM
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Well i'm sure Wanderer won't mind if you put up a poll here, or he might do it himself, for a EU server as well when the time comes.. But we most likely still have 1month+ before we even get a list of servers that wll be available for launch; although you could already make the poll based on the several Beta servers available :) I'm sure Wanderer will reply once he's home from work, poor guy :P
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#9854475 Aug 08, 2014 at 05:52 PM
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#9853007 Emmazor wrote:

Quick question! Will you also be doing this poll for the EU RP server? Or shall someone on the EU do so themselves? We don't wanna accidentally have multiple polls up xD

Yes ma'am. I have both posts already written, in fact. They're just pending server lists before I can actually post them in any good faith.

They're both pretty much identical, although they both redirect to one another and have slightly different headers and such.

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#9854648 Aug 08, 2014 at 06:47 PM
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Very nice work, Wanderer, that's an excellent post. IRON discussed this in length during last night's meeting and our leadership wholly agrees with your approach on this topic. While we will be paying mild attention to similar surveys that crop up outside of the official AA forums, the results of this particular poll coupled with the (hopefully) collective decision of this specific community, will weigh the most heavily on our guild's server choice. Thanks for putting this together and for continuing to provide a logical, rational, and most of all community-neutral voice of reason for AA's RP player base.
Volikov | Community Admin of the Midnight Reveries Gaming Community
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#9855767 Aug 09, 2014 at 03:20 AM
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Woo nice one Wanderer! *showers in cookies* Much appreciated! ^-^
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